I'm happy with most of it - it's an incrementalist bill that lays the groundwork for single payer - but there's a lot I don't like. Too many things were left out, and the abortion amendment had no place in a modern society's health care structure. #healthcare
As usual...... in the media, as well as elsewhere, abortion and immigration coverage now seem to make up the bulk of the discussion about this bill, instead of focusing on the larger issues that will affect most of the general public. Not to minimize issues such as abortion but when the focus becomes that, the right and left wingnuts seem to get the majority of the media coverage.
We managed to find the funds (which are probably now in the billions) to fight two wars and really have nothing but lost lives to show for it and yet, somehow trying to get American citizens decent health care is going to bankrupt us.
There are legitimate points some of the Republicans also make about tort reform and access because you're talking about taking on an additional 20-30 million people with the same amount of facilities and providers. I know they've proposed adding to the class size in medical schools and such and I hope that won't get killed by the AMA, who was staunchly against it when Clinton proposed it during her try at fixing this.
I, for one, would have liked to see something in this bill about banning pharmaceutical companies from advertising prescription medications on the air and in print.
While the profession is a noble one, I can say from first hand experience that there is a great deal of them (physicians) who are morally corrupt...........when it comes to financially rewarding themselves at the expense of the American taxpayer.... as well as many of their patients. #healthcare
I'm pissed too, and sick of having to live according to other people's "moral" code. I'm sick of the state bowing to religion.
That said, I think the issue the pro-choice side REALLY needs to do something about is not the cost of abortions. It's access. If some woman in Alabama or Nebraska,* where all the clinics have packed up and moved after harassment and bombings, and the GYNs have been murdered and not replaced, has to drive six hours to another state to get an abortion, whether she can pay for it (or the govt does) isn't the big question.
*don't know if these are accurate examples and too lazy to look it up, but you get the idea. #healthcare
@SaraRueful: Medical Students For Choice agree and are trying to increase the number of physicians who are trained to perform abortions. [www.ms4c.org]#healthcare
@SaraRueful: Access is definitely the biggest issue.
I worked at a clinic in California, and we routinely had women coming in from Utah, Nevada, and Oregon. Some of them came because the providers in their area were so overbooked that they would have to wait too many weeks to get in. Some of them came because they had waited for an appointment, and then found out they were in their second trimester and the provider they went to only did first trimester abortions.
The current provider shortage is crazy, and it only leads to more women having later term abortions.
There are various groups dedicated to getting poor women the funding and transportation needed to get an abortion.
There's one in NY, if you're interested: [www.nyaaf.org]
Also, this is the group we worked with in CA (they help women all over the country, not just in CA): [www.whrc-access.org]#healthcare
I don't even know where to begin with this cluster*%!$, but here goes:
This Bill will never get through the Senate in its present form, so for it to pass in the Senate it will undergo yet another metamorphosis. Then, assuming it gets through --- and I am assuming no such thing -- it goes to Conference where it may emerge, once again, unrecognizable, or die a slow death until next year. #healthcare
"And maybe, just maybe, one day, some parent with a kid who's got a bad fever in the middle of the night won't have to worry about taking him in to get checked out because they can't afford it or they'll get treated like shit, they'll just do it. And it'll be fine."
This is the best thing you've ever written, Foster. And you are a good writer.
Observe the timestamp and note that I am clearly drunk. But it is still quite good and sad and small and true, this thing you wrote.
It's funny to be sick of a country that is so very sick. #healthcare
It passed 220-215 with a huge democratic majority in the house. Good luck getting this thing through the Senate. Then good luck again getting the reconciled bill passed by either legislative body.
This thing is dead in its current form. Mark my words. #healthcare
@badasscat: C’mon, have some optimism. The abortion amendment is regressive, but the general spirit of the bill is progressive. I see all of this as true foundation laying for something that will last, and not something that will be reversed the second a new administration comes into play.
@Lincolnsbeard33: I understand what you are saying, but the way this all works is you add more and expect folks to pick off a good chunk, but you at least get a part of the bill through.
We’re not talking about reasonable folks here. The idea healthcare is even debated is sickening. #healthcare
@Lincolnsbeard33: If you love how your credit cards are able to ignore the usury laws in your state because they're located in South Dakota, then you're going to love it when all the health insurance companies are located in Arizona and are able to dump you the day after you get seriously ill because the laws of that state say it's okay. Good plan. And, of course, it's a concession to the Republicans.
@badasscat: Didn't see your comment until I wrote mine.
Also, please tell me how legally forcing people to buy health insurance will work. When a drive-by victim comes through Cook County General at 4 in the morning -- which is another reason the wait in the ER is so long in big city hospitals -- and is taken straight into the OR, are they going to throw him out because he failed to buy a policy? Nope. They're gonna take him into surgery and try to save his life and spend close to half a million dollars in post surgical care same as now.
And the government won't reimburse the county for these costs... #healthcare
@Mediahohoho: My thoughts exactly. The insurance companies are all dying to get to compete across state lines for the very reason you mention. #healthcare
@kitson.harvey: They are SUPPOSED to reimburse the county, they never pay the full costs. My husband has worked at on a trauma team at a hospital similar to Cook for almost 20 years. The hospital is always in the red, the county government is in the red and trying to pass the burden on to the state, which doesn't want any part of it, and so on, and so on.
See "Hospital-based emergency care: at the breaking point"
c. 2007 By Institute of Medicine (U.S.). Committee on the Future of Emergency Care in the United States.
(View it at Amazon: pg 7: The Burden of Uncompensated Care.) #healthcare
According to CNN: "The prohibition would exclude cases of rape, incest or if the woman's life is in danger."
So, basically we're going to see a spike in abortion-seekers claiming they were raped, or in sympathetic doctors claiming that the abortion-seeker's life is in danger. #healthcare
@skt.smth: Yeah. All the women I know sit around thinking of ways to get the federal government to pay for their abortions. And you know doctors, it's just lie, lie, lie all day long. They'll write anything on a chart just for fun. #healthcare
I tend to think that, abortions or no, this bill is going to do far more good for women than bad. For instance -- I'm poor. If this bill doesn't pass and I need an abortion, I have to pay for it out of my own pocket. If this bill DOES pass, I also have to pay for it. However, the bill DOES subsidize plans that cover contraception. As a result, more women will be able to afford the pill in this country than ever before. #healthcare
@eatsshootsleaves: That's interesting.
I'm Canadian... and while we pay quite a bit for contraception (I pay about $30-$40 a month for the Patch) getting an abortion is free*
(* = Up until a certain point. If you're 8 months pregnant and want one, you have to pay.) #healthcare
@DeadliestSin: Getting contraception in the U.S. will cost money, too, because of co-pays. But it's not like this money is out of reach for most people. With my old insurance I only had to pay 10 bucks a month for the pill. #healthcare
@eatsshootsleaves: I can send in my recipts to my insurance company and get a refund, so I'll only end up paying around $10 too. We also have birth control clinics for people who do not have health insurance or cannot afford birth control. I used it for a while while I was in college, birth control there was $5-$10 a month depending on what form you used. I also got the Depo Provera shot for several hundred dollars cheaper than it would have normally cost me. In Canada we still have expensive medications, but it's easier to get coverage to lower the costs of those medications. #healthcare
Seriously, this sort of information really puts this vote and its dissenters in perspective. If health reform actually becomes law, it will be one of the largest (if not THE largest) overhauls of U.S. health care in our history. And yet the resulting system will still be behind most other developed countries in terms of breadth and quality. #healthcare
@eatsshootsleaves: If socialism means I can visit my doctor and get medical treatment for free* then bring it on!
(*again with the conditions- I do not pay upfront, nor do I ever see a bill for my treatment- the funds needed are taken from tax dollars, to which every working Canadian contributes at both the provincial and federal level.) #healthcare
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I'm happy with most of it - it's an incrementalist bill that lays the groundwork for single payer - but there's a lot I don't like. Too many things were left out, and the abortion amendment had no place in a modern society's health care structure. #healthcare
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We managed to find the funds (which are probably now in the billions) to fight two wars and really have nothing but lost lives to show for it and yet, somehow trying to get American citizens decent health care is going to bankrupt us.
There are legitimate points some of the Republicans also make about tort reform and access because you're talking about taking on an additional 20-30 million people with the same amount of facilities and providers. I know they've proposed adding to the class size in medical schools and such and I hope that won't get killed by the AMA, who was staunchly against it when Clinton proposed it during her try at fixing this.
I, for one, would have liked to see something in this bill about banning pharmaceutical companies from advertising prescription medications on the air and in print.
While the profession is a noble one, I can say from first hand experience that there is a great deal of them (physicians) who are morally corrupt...........when it comes to financially rewarding themselves at the expense of the American taxpayer.... as well as many of their patients. #healthcare
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That said, I think the issue the pro-choice side REALLY needs to do something about is not the cost of abortions. It's access. If some woman in Alabama or Nebraska,* where all the clinics have packed up and moved after harassment and bombings, and the GYNs have been murdered and not replaced, has to drive six hours to another state to get an abortion, whether she can pay for it (or the govt does) isn't the big question.
*don't know if these are accurate examples and too lazy to look it up, but you get the idea. #healthcare
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[www.ms4c.org] #healthcare
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I worked at a clinic in California, and we routinely had women coming in from Utah, Nevada, and Oregon. Some of them came because the providers in their area were so overbooked that they would have to wait too many weeks to get in. Some of them came because they had waited for an appointment, and then found out they were in their second trimester and the provider they went to only did first trimester abortions.
The current provider shortage is crazy, and it only leads to more women having later term abortions.
There are various groups dedicated to getting poor women the funding and transportation needed to get an abortion.
There's one in NY, if you're interested: [www.nyaaf.org]
Also, this is the group we worked with in CA (they help women all over the country, not just in CA): [www.whrc-access.org] #healthcare
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This Bill will never get through the Senate in its present form, so for it to pass in the Senate it will undergo yet another metamorphosis. Then, assuming it gets through --- and I am assuming no such thing -- it goes to Conference where it may emerge, once again, unrecognizable, or die a slow death until next year. #healthcare
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[tools.advomatic.com] #healthcare
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This is the best thing you've ever written, Foster. And you are a good writer.
Observe the timestamp and note that I am clearly drunk. But it is still quite good and sad and small and true, this thing you wrote.
It's funny to be sick of a country that is so very sick. #healthcare
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This thing is dead in its current form. Mark my words. #healthcare
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I have hope for this. #healthcare
02:43 AM
They need to start small and stop with these Monster bills.
The first step should be a small bill with 3 simple things in it
1. No more preexisting condition bullshit. That seems to be one of the biggest crimes going on by Health Care Companies.
2. Force health care compaines to compete by forcing them across state lines. As it is now they essentially have a monopoly in most states.
3. Put a fixed cost to operations.
This will greatly help us out and will get passed. #healthcare
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We’re not talking about reasonable folks here. The idea healthcare is even debated is sickening. #healthcare
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Also, please tell me how legally forcing people to buy health insurance will work. When a drive-by victim comes through Cook County General at 4 in the morning -- which is another reason the wait in the ER is so long in big city hospitals -- and is taken straight into the OR, are they going to throw him out because he failed to buy a policy? Nope. They're gonna take him into surgery and try to save his life and spend close to half a million dollars in post surgical care same as now.
And the government won't reimburse the county for these costs... #healthcare
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See "Hospital-based emergency care: at the breaking point"
c. 2007 By Institute of Medicine (U.S.). Committee on the Future of Emergency Care in the United States.
(View it at Amazon: pg 7: The Burden of Uncompensated Care.) #healthcare
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[www.freerepublic.com] #healthcare
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So, basically we're going to see a spike in abortion-seekers claiming they were raped, or in sympathetic doctors claiming that the abortion-seeker's life is in danger. #healthcare
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I'm Canadian... and while we pay quite a bit for contraception (I pay about $30-$40 a month for the Patch) getting an abortion is free*
(* = Up until a certain point. If you're 8 months pregnant and want one, you have to pay.) #healthcare
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Seriously, this sort of information really puts this vote and its dissenters in perspective. If health reform actually becomes law, it will be one of the largest (if not THE largest) overhauls of U.S. health care in our history. And yet the resulting system will still be behind most other developed countries in terms of breadth and quality. #healthcare
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(*again with the conditions- I do not pay upfront, nor do I ever see a bill for my treatment- the funds needed are taken from tax dollars, to which every working Canadian contributes at both the provincial and federal level.) #healthcare