<![CDATA[Gawker: valleywag, grouper]]> http://tags.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/gawker.com.png <![CDATA[Gawker: valleywag, grouper]]> http://gawker.com/tag/valleywag/grouper http://gawker.com/tag/valleywag/grouper <![CDATA[Sony hopes L.A. geographic will cure Crackle.com's addiction to losing money]]> Michael Lynton, can we talk? You may hope that you can manage your online-video issues by relocating the staff of Crackle.com, the money-losing startup you acquired for Sony in 2006, from Sausalito to Culver City. I'm sure with your experience at AOL and at Hollywood, you're confident enough to believe it's a business you can handle. But the real first step is admitting that you have a problem. We know all the cool kids were doing it when you purchased the site, then known as Grouper, for $65 million, but the $100 million you are rumored to have spent on satisfying your bandwidth cravings and making new employee and content-producer "friends" just shows how far you've sunk toward rock bottom. I can't imagine mainlining another 10-gigabit connection at a new San Diego datacenter will help. The good news, Michael, is that you're not alone. Eric Schmidt's YouTube habit has proven unmanageable as well. The note from a laid-off employee after the jump may feel like tough love, Michael, but think of it as an intervention from someone who cares.

Just heard from my soon-to-be ex-Crackle colleagues that Sony is sick of tossing money down the ol' 2.0 hole (~$100m after the $65m purchase) and offering some the chance to re-apply for their current positions in Culver City before they move the operation out of Sausalito in three months. Seems that if you stick around (for what is unknown) for that amount of time, you'll get a month or two of severance pay... I'm sure there're a few newly minted middle managers comtemplating individual contributor roles once again.

Sounds like they're fretting over what to do about the $1.25m datacenter we built at L3 in Emeryville, but will probably end up forklifting the stuff to the Sony online group's DC in San Diego. Hope they can get a 10Gbit feed down there or it'll be a waste of a lot of expensive Cisco modules; then again, Crackle never cracked a Gbps in 'natural' (not purchased) traffic while I was there (I was part of this group)

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<![CDATA[Sony video site Crackle lays off 8 out of 60 employees]]> Crackle.jpgSony laid off eight people from its video site Crackle.com today, one former employee tells us. Crackle was called Grouper when Sony bought it for $50 million in August 2006. And though Grouper was founded a year before YouTube, the headstart didn't help much. Check out the chart below.

Blame Crackle's founders and Sony execs for the company's woes, commenter agentX told us in August 2007:

Grouper succeeded at making the founders and a few execs a lot of money and screwing its employees in the process. Crackle is an attempt from the money greedy slimey founders to milk more cash from Sony. ...the name change buys another year of high rolling paychecks for the execs.

Josh Felser, Dave Samuel, Mike Citrin, and Aviv Eyal screwed their employees. Stay away from any venture any of these people are involved with.

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<![CDATA[Oh snap! Sony to launch Crackle (to make it go, um, pop)]]> Sony's $50-million mistake is reportedly relaunching as Crackle. Has-been video site Grouper, which Sony bought last August, launched a year before YouTube but never caught on as well; it's now one of several B-list video sites like the superior Vimeo and Blip.tv. Grouper will become Crackle, according to a tipster (who also points out that while Grouper claims over 20 million unique visitors a month, comScore counts under a million). Users can at least hope the site's new incarnation looks something like the trippy Crackle.com placeholder page. I'd ask the company for confirmation, but last time I did that, they flat-out lied.]]> http://gawker.com/index.php?op=postcommentfeed&postId=278458&view=rss&microfeed=true <![CDATA[Valley trick #3: Never base one valuation off another]]> Now that the New York Post (motto: "Who needs reputability when you've got CAPS?") pumped fresh helium into the YouTube valuation, saying the video company's founders now think it's worth $1.5 billion, bloggers are back to claiming that YouTube could really be worth that much, guys!

TechCrunch blogger Michael Arrington, for example, says YouTube traffic justifies his own crazy valuation. It's a scaled-up version of the recent $65-million purchase of Grouper, "when you look at relative traffic."

I hate to correct a well-educated Valley lawyer who's worked with tech companies since 1995, but how could he even pretend anyone cares about relative traffic?

Let's explain clearly: Sony did not buy Grouper for its traffic. Sony didn't need Grouper's audience (how many of your friends ever heard of Grouper?). It needed Grouper's video-sharing technology, an innovative peer-to-peer system for sharing video over the web and distributing it on many devices. In contrast, YouTube is a vastly trafficked site with a simple, easily replicated technology. Nothing wrong with that — it's just a whole different ballgame.

Who knows whether Arrington is misinformed, fudging, or just drunk. But watch out — anyone who tries to value YouTube based on Grouper's traffic count is not worth reading.

YouTube's Magic Number - $1.5 Billion [TechCrunch]

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<![CDATA[Morning deals for August 23: An excuse for one more picture of a grouper]]>

  • Sony bought video site Grouper (pictured) for $65 million; analysts say it's for the technology, not for the traffic. [NYT]
  • Microsoft wins the ad provider contract for Facebook, which one Times source calls a "consolation prize" for losing the MySpace contract. We prefer to call it "prom date plan B." [NYT]
  • One day later, the cold reality of YouTube's announcement (that its brave new business plan begins with Paris Hilton) finally sinks in, and we finally acknowledge it. [Mercury News]
  • In an agreement in U.S. District Court, the government drops all charges against Frank Quattrone, an investment banker who blew up the tech bubble in the 90s. He may be "not guilty" under the law, but in the hearts of those who spent millions based on his foolhardy predictions, he will always be "that bastard Quattrone." [WSJ]
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<![CDATA[Grouper VP told "big fish" tale]]> Grouper - ValleywagNow, if you were the Sales and Marketing VP of a tiny startup, and Sony was going to buy your little piece of flipmeat in a week, wouldn't you know about it?

Last Tuesday, I wrote:

Online video startup Grouper (pictured) denies any impending deal with Sony, despite an e-mailed rumor.... The Sales and Marketing VP of Grouper...says the company will not be joining up with Sony.

Last night, TechCrunch wrote:

Sony Pictures is announcing the acquisition of online video startup Grouper tonight, Tuesday, at midnight EST. The acquisition price, confirmed by Grouper, was $65 million in cash.

If that's true, VP Jonathan Shambroom was either:

A) Lying to the press on-record about a business deal, or
B) Clueless about a deal his company was already making.

Grouper has an executive team of six. We're gonna bet on option A.

Wow - Grouper Sells for $65 million [TechCrunch]
Earlier: Grouper denies Sony merger [Valleywag]

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<![CDATA[Grouper denies Sony merger]]> Online video startup Grouper (pictured) denies any impending deal with Sony, despite an e-mailed rumor that one was buying the other.

The Sales and Marketing VP of Grouper, which is running on $5.25 million of funding, says the company will not be joining up with Sony (market cap $45.19 billion). Avoiding a Sony deal would make sense for Grouper; where would Grouper find office space for Sony's 152,700 employees?

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