<![CDATA[Gawker: valleywag, payments]]> http://tags.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/gawker.com.png <![CDATA[Gawker: valleywag, payments]]> http://gawker.com/tag/valleywag/payments http://gawker.com/tag/valleywag/payments <![CDATA[Even eBay wishes PayPal weren't part of eBay now]]> PayPal's CEO is talking up the company's business handling payments on websites other than eBay. Where have I heard this before? Oh yes: In April 2002, when I had coffee with Peter Thiel, then the CEO of PayPal as an independent concern. He talked up the prospects of growing PayPal's business on other websites. He agreed to sell PayPal to eBay for $1.5 billion that July, and left three months later. And then I heard the story again, and again, and again, as eBay pushed a number of forgettable executives through the revolving door of PayPal's executive suite.

The swift executive rotation was a deliberate strategy of former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, a management consultant by training. She called it "repotting" — moving executives around through different parts of the business. While it may have helped her charges' careers, it did nothing for PayPal. The latest potted plant to occupy PayPal's C-suite, Scott Thompson, is bragging to investors that PayPal will soon derive more than half its revenues from websites other than eBay. A good thing, considering how growth in eBay's core auction business is grinding to a halt.

Thiel saw this as a problem back in 2002. eBay was growing fast at the time, but PayPal's investors — the company was briefly publicly traded before eBay bought it — were worried about its dependence on another company. After eBay bought PayPal, executives spent years grinding away at "integration" — even though PayPal, as an independent concern, had managed to neatly fit its payment service with eBay's auctions, without much help from eBay — in fact, with eBay actively trying to replace it with its own BillPoint payment service.

In the years since, what has eBay done with PayPal? It's recycled ideas from the Thiel era, and tried to tout them as "innovatons." It has swollen the size of the PayPal unit to some 7,000 employees. ("What do they do?" a former PayPal executive asked me.) And it has leaned on PayPal to mask slow growth in its core business.

How much would PayPal be worth now on its own, without eBay's bloated management? Would Amazon.com and Google even be trying to challenge it in the payments business? Perhaps it's a question that shouldn't remain abstract.

eBay tried to buy PayPal several times; every time eBay returned to the bargaining table, PayPal's price went up. It finally took the workings of a liquid market to determine PayPal's worth; after PayPal's IPO, eBay had to pay a fair price for the payments company.

Yes, it's time for another PayPal IPO. Too bad Peter Thiel isn't available to run the company — he's making far more money on his hedge fund than he ever did from PayPal.

(Photo by David Orban)

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<![CDATA[Facebook wants your credit card]]> FBBidness.jpgFacebook is looking for platform developers to test a payments system, an administrator announced on the Facebook Developers forum. Details are scant, but it's more likely than not built on the micropayments software Facebook developed for its virtual gifts. (Which, by the way, is a brilliant Trojan horse strategy: Charge people a token amount for something that costs you nothing, and get their credit-card numbers while you're at it.) The good news for the rest of us is that the new payment system might mean we'll see some Facebook apps that are meant to do something besides show us ads while we goof off.

But don't get too excited. After all, even the Facebook-app advertising economy is scarcely developed. Most of the apps making money are ... advertising other apps. It's as if this were California in 1849 and you had people setting up picks-and-shovels advertising agencies before the picks-and-shovel merchants opened their doors. Online advertising works, obviously, but no one's hit on the right formula for Facebook apps yet.

Turning Facebook into a marketplace is another potential revenue stream for the site. As eBay learned with PayPal, it's not enough just to list goods; you have to provide the means to move cash and close the deal, too. Expect to see a ton of e-commerce apps — and a rash of alarmist articles predicting Amazon and eBay's doom. There's always a market for those.

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<![CDATA[Bill Me Later's surprising success]]> Billmelaterchart.pngAmazon.com has taken a minority stake in Bill Me Later, according to reports. Why? Likely, it has something to do with the 217 percent year-over-year increase in traffic to BillMeLater.com, where users sign up for new accounts. As part of the deal, Amazon will join Wal-Mart and Overstock.com in adding Bill Me Later as an online payment option.

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